on the moon, when you look at the united states, there's one thing that -- state that stands out is michigan surrounded by water, and there's salt mines. we have documents and documents in our family signed by madison and all the peopling and this river is very unique separating two countries in a very unique way, and what happened in the city, we talked about this, just the arsenal of democracy. i don't know if this country would have won world war ii without this city. >> i think that's true. >> when i talk about the specialness part, we're now defaulting in a way that there's a lot more things to be proud about, not the crime or any of this, but finding specialness in the wrong areas sometime i guess is what i'm saying. >> yeah -- >> the music is a whole other genera, you know, and being 61, i grew up in all of that, the prime wood stock, the whole thing, i mean, it was, like wonderful in the city, and so -- >> [inaudible] >> i have not read the book yet, but i'm anxious to read it. [laughter] >> yeah, thank you. something about the salt, because there's so much salt here, it created a po